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How to find this 1: Choose search 2: Choose New User Form Search 3: Search Mormon 4: Choose Mormon from search results It's a log-in based system, so this is the only way to link. Ok, so what do you think? I for one am not in favor of having Google served with a DCMA notice to remove my blog. Is this legal? It's a term in common use, wouldn't this like trademarking "Protestant"? Any patent lawyers in the house?

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written by canadiancynic 607 days ago
    Your instructions worked fine, thank you for posting them. This is really interesting, so much so I spent some time reading the Wikipedia trademark article. It appears that if the trademark is granted, there has to be a certain level of enforcement in order to keep it.
    written by rickety 607 days ago
    First used in Commerce 1833-06-01
    written by trwth 604 days ago
I've got a screen capture up on my website if anyone has difficulties getting to this through the search system

www.angrymormonliberal.googlepages.com/currentmormonissues
written by canadiancynic 607 days ago
    Shoot, cancyn, the link for your screencap is coming back 404.
    written by naiah 607 days ago
    I should also say that I can't find that option that you mention in #2, and that the regular search only has 1 hit for Mormon, and that's not it...

    I am intrigued, though, by the idea--not thrilled, but intrigued. I agree it'd be tantamount to someone attempting to patent 'protestant;' I can't imagine that it will be granted. I can see why the attempt would be made, in th wake of all the broughaha around the FLDS and Warren Jeffs and all, and all the media confusion that ensued. Like it or not, though, we share a common spiritual root with those people. Granted, what they've gone and done with it, in many ways is morally reprehnsible at best, but that doesn't change the past. They're also not the only other church to share that root. There's the CoC, and the Church of Christ, the Strangites, among others. I just don't see the patent as being grantable... (even if I can't find the document about it...)
    written by naiah 607 days ago
    Wild--it's been in the works for years...
    written by naiah 607 days ago
Aid for you searchers:

Serial # 78977858

Filing Date September 5, 2002

Use the search on the middle right side of page

hope this helps
written by canadiancynic 607 days ago
I didn't know Moroni was already trademarked:

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,660205539,00.html
written by rickety 607 days ago
The church's webpage already has a notice about the word Mormon being trademarked. I first noticed it about two months ago and posted on it elsewhere. Here is a link; scroll to the very bottom for trademark info: or this tinyURL if that one got broken:

I hope this gets opposed. Oh well, even if it doesn't I will continue to go to Sacrament™, and drop the kids off at Primary™ while the wife and I go to Sunday School™. Then, like the rest of the guys, I'll catch a nap during Priesthood™, and then after shaking the hand of the Bishop™, I'll hand him my Tithing™ so I can keep going to the Temple™, and I will continue to do all of this in the name of Jesus Christ™, Amen™.
written by frozenchosenAK 607 days ago
Okay, so neither of my links showed up. Try this:

http://tinyurl.com/yuswtc
written by frozenchosenAK 607 days ago
Funny, you'd think this would have gotten more sustainings. Perhaps others felt strange as I did you know, before I finally sustain'd it) sustaining an article that casts the Church in a poor light. But trying to trademark "mormon"? That's just too corporate for my taste. Ew.
written by SilusGrok 607 days ago
    It may not appear to cast the Church in a poor light to everyone. I like it. Perhaps unintended consequences will flow from this action but nevertheless it is worth a try.
    written by rickety 606 days ago
I get a sinking feeling this will backfire. I understand the purpose. Certainly there are groups we don't want to be confused with but come on. Seeking a legal remedy by trademarking a part of the descriptive lexicon for believers in the Book of Mormon. I have to believe that the courts, even if somehow sympathetic are going to say "I don't think so." I predict we will be back to denouncing the term mormon and go with LDS with a tm of course, except doh, the Strangites have everything except the dash.

Maybe we just need to loosen up, fight misunderstandings as we can, but just realize they are going to exist no matter what we do.
written by Doc 607 days ago
    Amen.
    written by SilusGrok 607 days ago
    Intellectual Reserve also claims a trademark on "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". The Strangites don't have a dash, nor a definite article in their name, and they capitalize the "D" in day: "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". All of the other Missouri-based restoration churches (at least 8 or 10 that I know of) also seem to dispense with the hyphen, and capitalize "Day". So, I am not sure exactly what the LDS church hopes to preserve in their trademark of their full name, considering they have the "oddball" name; no one seems to be copying it, and in fact, it is not the original name of the church.

    I do not know how the FLDS spell out their name. The other fundamentalist churches do not use the full name, as they generally do not believe they are "replacements" of the main church, and they tend to acknowledge the LDS church as still being "the" church.

    The Bickertonites incorporated in 1941 as the Church of Jesus Christ. And yet the LDS church does not respect this, insisting that instead of "Mormon" and "LDS" the media refer to them by full name on first reference and as the Church of Jesus Christ on subsequent references (see http://tinyurl.com/238kzh ). Perhaps the Bickertonites should sue the LDS church for name infringement.

    Interestingly, the new Style Guide (http://tinyurl.com/238kzh) now indicates that "When referring to Church members, the term “Latter-day Saints” is preferred, though “Mormons” is acceptable." Not very long ago--as recently as the last time I looked at the style guide, maybe last year--the use of the word "Mormon" to describe church members was strongly discouraged. Guess they figured it was a losing battle.

    The Church under Joseph Smith bore the name without the hyphen and with a capital D: http://strangite.org/Name4.jpg

    I hope members and leaders of other restoration churches will oppose this hijacking of the word "Mormon", though. It just isn't right. Just because the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has the biggest group doesn't mean they get to monopolize the terminology. To allow so would set a dangerous precedent.

    I think it's ironic that the Church appeals to the AP style guide in defense of their position that "The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other ... churches that resulted from the split after Smith’s death." So now the AP is the definite source on religious succession?

    Sorry for the rambling, disjointed comments...just had to say some of these things because it is ploys like this trademark nonsense that make some people wonder what Salt Lake is up to these days.
    written by frozenchosenAK 606 days ago
I think it's the uncertainty of enforcement that makes me tense. Is this something that's going to be enforced against faithful yet funny things like "I can't I'm Mormon" (already trademarked) or is it going to be relaxed and only enforced against something egregious like a slanderous book called 'Mormon Teachings'

But, what the Wikipedia article on trademarks states is that it will have to be enforced to be kept... just how much will it be enforced?
written by canadiancynic 607 days ago
I cannot figure out why many of you think this is such a big deal. Law is a part of modern life. What matters is the motive behind this action, and I am willing to suppose that the Church has good motives.
written by willf 603 days ago
    I doubt the church will go after little blogs.
    written by willf 603 days ago
    The reason it is a big deal is outlined in my rather lengthy comment above: the church has no realistic exclusive claim on the names! Just because they are the biggest Restoration church does not mean they are the only one.
    written by frozenchosenAK 603 days ago
Excuse me if I'm slightly (not paranoid) but suspicious. The church went after a little coffee shop. We're not exactly talking about infringement, if it can be called that, on a large scale.
written by canadiancynic 603 days ago
If the Church doesn't trademark the word, another church will, and then what?
written by willf 601 days ago
    I do not think a trademark of this sort can stand the test of law, anymore than someone could trademark Christian, or any other common term that describes a widely held belief system. My point is that NO ONE should be trying to trademark the word. What do you suppose this might mean to the Community of Christ, who also publishes the Book of MORMON? Will they have to seek a license on the word Mormon from the LDS church? SHOULD the LDS church be ABLE to LICENSE religious terminology out to those it wants but not others? Now do you see the problem?
    written by frozenchosenAK 600 days ago
Maybe the Church also doubts that it can "stand the test of law" but isn't taking any chances.
written by willf 600 days ago
If the Church did achieve trademark of the word Mormon I doubt they would go after people like the Community of Christ for licensing. On the other hand, someone showing disrespect a symbol seen as sacred, such as the Angel Moroni, would be fair target. Why don't you think You seem to think the Church would act like the recording industry or the NFL as soon as they achieved a trademark. I don't buy it.
written by willf 600 days ago
And since looking back at the comments I see that it has already been trademarked. So... How many times has the church enforced it against anyone?
written by willf 600 days ago
It's currently in a state where it can be challenged, the trademark has not been issued. It's been in the works since 2002. The church claims 'Mormon' is trademarked on their website, but it's still going through the works.
written by canadiancynic 600 days ago

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